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				<title>Re: imaginary numbers</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2020 13:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>thank you and no, i don't mind long explanation as they give a good amount of info.</p> 
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				<title>Re: imaginary numbers</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2020 00:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>You can't just do a square root in reverse, because as <span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/yousername" ><img class="small" src="http://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=6905013&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1696955856" alt="Yousername" style="background-image:url(http://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=6905013)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/yousername" >Yousername</a></span> pointed out, there can be a positive or a negative component to it. Take for example the square root of 4. While you could say that the square root of 4 is 2, and be partially correct, the more correct answer is &quot;Positive or negative 2&quot;. Why is this? Well, lets look at each case individually:</p> <blockquote> <p>2² = 4</p> </blockquote> <p>This first case is pretty simple; We know that 2² is equal to 2*2, which is equal to 2+2, which is equal to 4.</p> <blockquote> <p>-2² = 4</p> </blockquote> <p>This second case is the &quot;tricky&quot; one. We know that this expression is true, but why is it true? Well, we can factor it out to be <span class="math-inline">$(-1*2)^{2} = 4$</span>. Distribution of the power allows for <span class="math-inline">$-1^{2}*2^{2} = 4$</span>. We proved in the simple case that <span class="math-inline">$2^{2} = 4$</span>, so we can substitute that in here: <span class="math-inline">$-1^{2}*4 = 4$</span>. Finally, solving for <span class="math-inline">$-1^{2}$</span> we can divide both sides by 4 and find that <span class="math-inline">$-1^{2} = 1$</span>. Now you're probably wondering - &quot;Wait, what does any of this have to do with imaginary numbers?&quot;</p> <hr /> <p>Because we have proven that <span class="math-inline">$-1^{2} = 1$</span>, we can prove that the square of any negative number, n, will be equal to the square of the positive n. This can be done by proving that any negative number, n, can be factored into <span class="math-inline">$-1 * n$</span>, which of course is simply the definition of a negative number. Therefore, it is impossible to take the square root of any negative number and have a real value, since squares can only be positive. The way around this was to simply invent imaginary numbers. If we follow the same logic that a negative number can be factored, it can be seen thus: <span class="math-inline">$√(-n) = √(-1*n) = √(-1)*√(n)_{+}$</span>. Note here that we are only interested in the positive square root of n, not the negative.</p> <p>But, we still have the issue of <span class="math-inline">$√(-1)$</span>. We can't use our factoring trick on it, because we would simply end up with <span class="math-inline">$1*√(-1)$</span> again. This is why we need to define i as the square root of negative one. Knowing this, calculating the powers of i becomes very easy. <span class="math-inline">$i^{1} = i, i^{2} = -1, i^{3} = -1*i, ...$</span>. If we look at <span class="math-inline">$i^{4}$</span>, we can break it into the component parts <span class="math-inline">$i^{2}*i^{2}$</span>, since we know that exponents with the same base can be added. Applying substitution, <span class="math-inline">$√(-1)^{2}*√(-1)^{2} = -1 * -1 = 1$</span> so <span class="math-inline">$i^{4} = 1$</span>.</p> <p>Therefore, taking <span class="math-inline">$i^{n}$</span>, for any odd , the result will be either i or -i. For any even n, the result will be either 1 or -1.</p> <hr /> <p>Going back to your original question on if there was a flaw in your logic. Because the 4th root of a number is equivalent to the square root of a square root, and we have proven that the true square root of a number can be positive or negative, <span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/yousername" ><img class="small" src="http://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=6905013&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1696955856" alt="Yousername" style="background-image:url(http://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=6905013)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/yousername" >Yousername</a></span> is correct in saying that the fourth root can be positive or negative 1.</p> <p>I know that was long winded and probably boring, but I was bored and had nothing else to do</p> 
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				<title>Re: imaginary numbers</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>∜1 can also be -1.</p> 
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				<title>imaginary numbers</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>so not too long ago, I was reading about imaginary numbers, and while I was reading about the values of i<sup>2</sup>, i<sup>3</sup>, i<sup>4</sup>, i<sup>5</sup> etc. i noticed that</p> <p>i<sup>4</sup> = 1</p> <p>and when I solved for i by replacing each side of the equation with it's 4th root, i got</p> <p>i = <sup>4</sup>√1 or i=1</p> <p>knowing that i is defined as √⁻1, i squared both sides to get</p> <p>i<sup>2</sup> = 1<sup>2</sup> or (√⁻1)<sup>2</sup> = 1<sup>2</sup> or -1 = 1</p> <p>is ther a error in the line of reasoning or is this just a property of imagenary numbers?</p> 
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